I posed the question, “Are mutual funds or index funds better to invest in for the long-term” and I had quite a few people jump on me for my personal answer. At first I was a little ticked that no one saw my point of view, but then I began doing more research and thinking about the matter from adifferent perspective. I want to thank the readers of this site that contributed to the debate, because I am starting to re-evaluate my stance on index funds. Here are some good comments on this subject from Money Crasher readers:
From J:
I’ll add this … you’ll get MUCH more out of an investment plan that focuses on finding an asset allocation that fits your financial goals and risk tolerance, and the simply putting that asset allocation into action using low cost index funds with track records spanning 100+ years.
Do this instead of searching for “top managers†of active funds in each asset class hoping that they weren’t a flash in the pan, and hoping that they even stay on the job long enough to make a difference for you. Asset allocation is the investment strategy that pays off in the long term … not finding hot stock or bond pickers and constantly checking in to see if they stay hot. Seriously, I thought this ship had already sailed in the “Personal Finance†community.
A different perspective from Danny:
I would normally say index funds like most other bloggers..but I’m starting to lean towards mutual funds with good investment philosophies. The reason is because I don’t think the stock market will behave like it has for the past 3 decades. We’ve had a lot of booms and even Warren Buffett thinks those times are past us. So, for our generations it may be wiser to invest in funds that employ good managers to actually analyze data and make good decisions. I think market returns will be 6-7% annually max here on out. It can’t just keep going up forever. At some time, some one (like a manager) needs to spot undervalued funds and buy them, while selling off the bad stuff.
I am leaning towards this approach to the debate of actively managed mutual funds versus index funds from ekrabs:
. . . Please don’t get me wrong though. I am what in my circle would call “weapon agnosticâ€Â. As in, I do what makes the most sense to me, giving my current personal financial situation rather than what I think is better. For example, there are places for managed funds as well as index funds just as there are places for a hammer and a screwdriver. To me, it seems futile to debate whether one tool is better than the other. Not everything requires a hammer, and heaven help you if that’s all you believe in….
So, in practice, I actually do a bit of both, depending on what appears to work best for my own portfolio. However, for the average investor starting out, I would most definitely recommend index funds to start out, if there is a choice. In fact, I recommend to read “The Bogleheads’ Guide to Investing†for everyone who wants to get into investing!
One of my flaws from my preference towards solid, proven, actively managed funds versus funds that follow an index fund was the up-front sales charge called the “load”. All of the mutual funds that I invest in my 401(k) are class A loaded funds, which means it takes an up-front sales charge of 5.75 percent! I didn’t realize it was this high. I always knew index funds had very small expense ratios, but I didn’t realize that there are great performing index funds with no load. I starting to change my perspective towards keeping a mix of actively managed funds with index funds. The index funds will always keep you steady, and during the years that the actively managed funds beat the market, it’ gravey. But if they perform worse than the market, you’ll always have those low-expense index funds to keep you at a solid return for the year.
I’m going to spend the rest of the week looking into index funds more, revealing some actively managed funds that I think are worth the investment, and talk about opening up an IRA for those with a small initial investment.
4 Responses
J
March 18th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
1Here’s one of a multitude of research papers that pretty much lays it all out for you.
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1105775
If after reading this, and other like it, you think you can consistently pick the winning active managed funds, then I wish you luck.
ekrabs
March 24th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
2Oh, well, thank you for the endorsement? It’s a shame that my grammar wasn’t so great. If I knew I was going to get quoted, I probably would have proof-read.
I would also add that not a investment companies are created equal. Sadly, the company that’s handle 401k isn’t that great (in my opinion), AND all of their funds still have a load. The second I leave this job, I am taking rolling my money out, pronto!
However, there ARE good, reputable, actively managed fund companies out there. And yes, to a very large extent, I agree that that you’re essentially investing your money in a fund manager. However, it would also depend what type of investment and goals. All this should be available in the prospectus, and I think it’s important enough for all investors to pore through.
I didn’t quite catch the wording “long-term” the first time around, but if that is the case (your 401k), and assuming that you DO have a choice (and like me, you may not right now), but if you do have a choice, using, say, Vanguard’s Target Retirement Fund is actually pretty efficient. For one fund (of funds), you really can’t go wrong. But again, that’s for the long time, and that’s stating my bias as a Bogle fan.
My shorter-term investments are in either actively managed funds or individual stocks.
ekrabs
March 24th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
3Ugh, please pardon my grammar again. That’s what I get for being in a rush.
ekrabs
March 26th, 2008 at 10:32 am
4Incidentally, here’s a somewhat relevant article on Vanguard index funds versus Vanguard managed funds.
http://indexuniverse.com/component/content/article/3864.html
In it, you’ll see that the results are mixed either way, and that the more important question to ask is what your asset allocation should be like.
Sometimes, simple questions don’t come with simple answers.
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